Dry Drowning Warning For Parents

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Posted by Eddie FarahJune 07, 2008 1:59 AM
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The death of a 10-year-old boy from South Carolina this week while lying in his own bed, has brought attention to the little known “dry drowning.”

Johnny Jackson had gone for a swim in his neighborhood and walked home with his mother. He seemed fine except that his mother says he soiled himself, and then started talking slowly. He was sleepy. He lay down to take a nap and about one hour later he was dead.

Parents need to understand how dry drowning works. When water gets into the lungs, and it doesn’t have to be much, a child can asphyxiate. Lungs immersed in fluid are unable to take in oxygen from the air, but even with a small amount of water, Wikipedia says the “laryngospasm reflex essentially causes asphyxiation and neurogenic pulmonary edema.”

Basically when you breath, the diaphragm contracts, increases the volume of air into the lungs from the outside. During laryngospasm the person’s larynx spasm shuts. Air does not rush into the lungs. The heart is beating the blood flowing but it is not picking up oxygen.

Dry drowning can happen when someone has forceful contact with the water, such as from high diving or a water slide. Or just from summer fun in a pool, or even from a bath.

But the signs can be delayed and doctors don't know why. Signs are extreme fatigue and strange behavior which results from a reduction in oxygen to the brain. They need to get to an emergency room and have a breathing tube inserted so oxygen can be forced into the lungs so they regain their function.

3,600 people drowned in 2005, according to the CDC. About 10 to 15 percent were dry drownings, which can occur up to 24 hours after water is breathed into the lungs.

Johnny's mother, Cassandra Jackson, just didn't know, like most of us wouldn't.

"I feel like someone reached in and grabbed my heart and just yanked it out,” she says.

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dcoios
Posted by dcoios
June 08, 2008 4:00 AM

I am very sory for your great loss. This seems unfair in any way you look at it. Words are empty but I feel your son will allways live in your's, your family and all the freind's heart!

greg
Posted by greg
June 08, 2008 4:53 AM

I'm sorry about your loss. I inhaled a lot of water when a dive buddy replaced my regulator upside down at 40 feet below the surface of a lake. I had pain in my chest for a while but I never sought medical attention. That was in the summer of 2001. The forced water factor must be a significant element of cause in dry drowning. One of my classmates back in high school died in two inches of water after being pinned face down under his truck. And when I was in the Navy, one of the ship's divers died in a strong current.

Name McNamerson
Posted by Name McNamerson
June 08, 2008 6:29 AM

way to spell BREATHE wrong in the article

Thomas A. Mengesha
Posted by Thomas A. Mengesha
June 08, 2008 6:37 AM

I am so sorry for you loss. May god give you comfort during this time and always.

Best wishes,

Thomas

Rossignol
Posted by Rossignol
June 08, 2008 7:24 AM

What is truly amazing is after reading such a tragic story some people would be as ignorant as to point out a spelling mistake in the article as opposed to give a word of condolence for such a loss. I would like to apologize for McNamerson's ignorance; this is obviously a very unbalance person. I would also like to extend my sympathy to this young man's family; I have children as well and can not even begin to imagine your pain. I hope you take comfort in the fact that there are those of us who truly are praying for you and your family.

Susie Volpe
Posted by Susie Volpe
June 08, 2008 7:38 AM

I am at a loss. My husband is a life guard, and has been for many years. I asked him to explain this to me, and he just simply had more questions than answers. Our largest question is what sort of incedent happened at the pool that he soiled himself? That is the first responce when a person goes uncontious or dies. Was this an incedent that involved a life guard? Did anyone suggest to this mother to take him to the hospital? I feel terrible because I wonder if this could happen to even our family - where we have both been trained extensively in different types of resues and emergency proceedures. Would I even know what was going on? I guess no matter how prepared you are, you can't expect to know what to do in every situation.

Angela
Posted by Angela
June 08, 2008 7:41 AM

thank you for this very very important information, i have never heard of such a thing. your terrible loss my help others stay safe. My you have God's comfort with you.

Gordon
Posted by Gordon
June 08, 2008 7:59 AM

What child isn't tired after playing at the pool all day? Extreme fatigue and strange behaviour is hardly an obvious sign, when referring to a child.

Mrs. Jackson, I am horribly sorry for your painful loss.

Getta Cloo
Posted by Getta Cloo
June 08, 2008 8:40 AM

When someone fails to join the stampede of knee-jerk obvious emotional responses and instead points out that the writer of this article did not pass 5th grade, that is not ignorance. Ignorance means not knowing something, like how to spell the one-syllable word "breathe", or that a spasm is not a thing that can shut. To avoid tragedies like this in the future (and the predictable flood of emotional responses) a medical advice web site should hire a writer who has mastered basic literacy. Otherwise you can't rely on a single word you read here, because that word might be an ignorant mistake.

rossignolisfoolish
Posted by rossignolisfoolish
June 08, 2008 8:53 AM

Rossignol, you are truely a fool...more important, so sorry for your tragic loss.

sandy schaeffer
Posted by sandy schaeffer
June 08, 2008 9:21 AM

This site is not managed or written by medical professionals; it's run primarily by a group of personal-injury lawyers. This particular article was written by a lawyer who evidently has difficulty with basic literacy and medical terms. Why anyone would post sympathy messages here is beyond me, and given the level of medical expertise demonstrated in this article, I'm equally flummoxed that anyone would read this site for factual info.

sympathyplease
Posted by sympathyplease
June 08, 2008 9:27 AM

For Name McNamerson to point out a spelling error in the article, seems to indicate sociopathic tendencies. The blog was so cut and dry that I am totally baffled as to if this blogger has compassion for this family's loss? I am picky about spelling and grammar, as well, but this is not the time or the place This article contains extremely important information, and all you can do is your own spell check (or should that be "spell-check"? Do you have any compassion in your empty heart?

Timon Place
Posted by Timon Place
June 08, 2008 9:32 AM

The time and place to point out ignorance is when and where it occurs.

Porter Info
Posted by Porter Info
June 08, 2008 9:37 AM

"This article contains extremely important information" WHICH MAY WELL BE ENTIRELY WRONG since the writer obviously cannot even spell much less bother to do any fact checking. Filtering the crud out and finding accurate information SAVES LIVES. Oh and by the way my heart is not empty, there is blood in it or I wouldn't be writing this... another basic fact I would expect folks on a medical site to grasp.

sympathyplease
Posted by sympathyplease
June 08, 2008 9:53 AM

Porter Info or Name McNamerson, I would like that you totally missed the point on this! Your humorless comments about mispellings or the biological facts of the human heart give more evidence that you have an anotomical heart. It only proves more that you lack compassion.

sympathyplease
Posted by sympathyplease
June 08, 2008 9:59 AM

Sorry, Poster Info, being human, I pushed "enter" instead of "shift". I meant to end my blog with this: To the parents, family, and friends of this young boy.

sympathyplease
Posted by sympathyplease
June 08, 2008 10:05 AM

Last post to those who lack sympathy. This time, I pushed no wrong button. My entry just stopped. So, to the family, my prayers are with you. Having lost a child myself, I know the heartbreak of one's child preceding you in death. It was the hardest thing I've ever had to bear. Let your hope rest in God.

Ralph Upchuck
Posted by Ralph Upchuck
June 08, 2008 10:09 AM

And here we see the deadly danger of you who think with your "heart" instead of your brain: you'd rather go to a doctor who expresses compassion -- then kills you with a mistaken dose -- instead of one who pays attention to detail and gets it right. You think feelings matter more than facts. Your bewildered emotional reactionary approach to everything makes the world a more dangerous place. You make me sick.

Linda Mendez
Posted by Linda Mendez
June 08, 2008 10:14 AM

May God give you strength and courage at this time of need and my prayers are with you and your family

sympathyplease
Posted by sympathyplease
June 08, 2008 10:18 AM

I know I said that I wouldn't post again. But it seems as though Name McNamerson, Porter Info,Ralph Upchuck, Timon Place, Getta Cloo, Sandy Schcaeffer, and Rossignolisfoolish are one and the same. Goodbye!

Random girl
Posted by Random girl
June 08, 2008 10:27 AM

I really feel bad for the people who had to go through this but I also feel that after reading these comments that some people really don't have a heart. I mean what's bad about people feeling sympathy for people who just lost a loved. you people really make me sick.

anonymous
Posted by anonymous
June 08, 2008 10:42 AM

For you doubters, this news was also in MSN. Do your research before saying right off the bat that there's no fact or evidence. My deep condolences to the family.

Lee-Usa
Posted by Lee-Usa
June 08, 2008 10:48 AM

Well said, Random and Sympathy. How absurd it is to shift focus from becoming aware of this rare form of drowning and expressing condolences to the family who has suffered this tragedy to a simple typo. Some lonely souls have missed the point entirely. Living in little, tidy compartments in fear of their emotions is a sad existence. Offering pity for those folks as well.

jacques dutronc
Posted by jacques dutronc
June 08, 2008 10:53 AM

Wow! For some people a typo really does spell the end of the world. I'm an editor, and when someone points out the typo in a 1,00 + page book, I feel sorry for them, but I thank them. Such little
lives don't need further aggravation.

anonymous
Posted by anonymous
June 08, 2008 11:12 AM

Interesting. Sympathyplease says "I am picky about spelling and grammar," but then omits the period from that very sentence. jacques dutronc is an editor, but posts about a "1,00 + page book."

shel lee
Posted by shel lee
June 08, 2008 11:18 AM

Wow..a typo???? This writer would know to have his work double checked before entering it...BUT....that does not change the fact that this family lost their son to a tragic accident....That NONE of us may had known about had it not been for "ignorant" writers, as you have said, such as this one...Who cares if he spelled breathe wrong....and for all of u who have pointed the focus on yourselves instead of this family?? shame on you.....seriously....My thoughts and prayers are with this family...

Will Jones
Posted by Will Jones
June 08, 2008 11:31 AM

I offer my sincerest condolences to the family and these words that have comforted my during tough, tough times:

I believe in the sun.
Even when it is not shining.
I believe in love.
Even when I feel it not.
I believe in God.
Even when is is silent.

shellee
Posted by shellee
June 08, 2008 11:35 AM

We are all comforted to know where shel lee's thoughts and prayers are. Now, everything is right with the world.

Are You?
Posted by Are You?
June 08, 2008 11:42 AM

Who are you guys offering your condolences to? Someone, not the author, posted this news article about dry drowning here. There's no one to offer your condolences to, the mother is not the poster of the article. The mother and family are not reading the article or your comments. So again, who are you offering your condolences to?

Harvey
Posted by Harvey
June 08, 2008 11:42 AM

If god is so great then why did he let the boy die in such a screwed up way?

Karl Rove
Posted by Karl Rove
June 08, 2008 11:42 AM

As Bill Clinton once said: "It depends upon what the meaning of the word 'is' is."

bren
Posted by bren
June 08, 2008 11:52 AM

i for one truely fill your pain and loss my oldest son at 12 yrs. died 26yrs ago he drowned in his on blood. my heart and prayers are with you and your family.

jwal
Posted by jwal
June 08, 2008 11:55 AM

I'm with McNamerson. This is a tragic and sad story, but when you write an article to be posted for the whole world to see, it needs to be checked for simple spelling errors. For the rest of you; do you really think the family is turning to this web page for support? Just more "symbolism over substance" that has become an epidemic in the country.

englishteacher
Posted by englishteacher
June 08, 2008 11:56 AM

I'm an English teacher. We all new what was being comminicated. You people have to much time on your hands to debate grammer to the nth degree.

not an english teacher
Posted by not an english teacher
June 08, 2008 12:00 PM

"We all new"? English teacher? Why is it the each of you who has professed expertise in the language cannot make a simple posting?

english teacher/ not
Posted by english teacher/ not
June 08, 2008 12:03 PM

To say nothing of "comminicated."

my goodness
Posted by my goodness
June 08, 2008 12:04 PM

stop please stop

ESL Teacher Maybe?
Posted by ESL Teacher Maybe?
June 08, 2008 12:07 PM

Grammer?

Teaching what?
Posted by Teaching what?
June 08, 2008 12:20 PM

"You people have to much time......" To? Shouldn't that be 'too'? ROFL

Name
Posted by Name
June 08, 2008 12:25 PM

Edit to English Teacher: I'm an English teacher. We all new (knew) what was being comminicated (communicated). You people have to (too) much time on your hands to debate grammer (grammar) to the nth degree. ::End Edit:: I'm not sure where you got your credential from but your English skills are sad. This article however is very shocking and it is incredibly important for this reporter to bring to light what can happen at a pool. However I feel it is incredibly inappropriate to quote Wikipedia, it's not even a real source, and cannot be used in any research. I imagine there are other places to find out the definition of dry drowning other then Wikipedia. Furthermore, as sweet as the messages above are, I doubt during her time of grief and tragedy that her initial response will be to sign online to the Jacksonville injury board and read peoples condolences. So if people want to point out how ridiculous this article is with its poor spelling, in proper grammar, and sad attempt at research, they have as much right as you do.

get the joke
Posted by get the joke
June 08, 2008 12:44 PM

wow they really bit on that one didnt they?

evildave
Posted by evildave
June 08, 2008 12:55 PM

While tragic, slow/slurred speech and soiling one's self are sort of important medical things to have looked at. While I offer condolences to the parents, this kid's fate should serve as a warning.

sunymall
Posted by sunymall
June 08, 2008 1:03 PM

It is so sad to see the deterioration of our collective humanity. If this is what we have been reduced to, then global warming is not such a big deal. We will kill ourselves off before the ice caps melt away.

I'm more saddened by the lack of respect and compassion demonstrated here than the loss of this one young life (yes, it is very sad too). But for some of you to bicker like children over such miniscule details is embarrassing to be a part of the human race.

Lee-Usa
Posted by Lee-Usa
June 08, 2008 1:06 PM

Soneone's yanking you're chains. How quickley the grammner police jumpt in to the fraye, to funnie;

ps...while the condolences are sincere, no one is expecting them to be read by the boy's family. It's called being compassionate.

Person
Posted by Person
June 08, 2008 1:10 PM

Get a grip - the mother didn't write the article and isn't reading your replies.

Dang
Posted by Dang
June 08, 2008 1:28 PM

Dang - some folks have no lives to carry on such a flame war to even THINK that them pointing out type-o's and that the posts of sympathy aren't reaching the lady.

Dang
Posted by Dang
June 08, 2008 1:29 PM

And - yes - I gotta say, it stinks that hitting "enter" submits the post.

Art
Posted by Art
June 08, 2008 2:04 PM

This is sad, but billions of others since Adam and Eve disobeyed have come to sad ends. Harvey blames God. Job didn't. Why should we? A whole universe is watching this experiment in sin.
The end comes soon. They have seen enough. And "This gospel of the Kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness to all nations, and then shall the end come." Matthew 24:14 Listen to Amazing Facts web. By satellite Doug goes to all the world.

jack hole
Posted by jack hole
June 08, 2008 2:05 PM

Be Afraid, something terrible is going to get us all! Oh no lock the doors, shut the windows.. scare stories like this are indeed sad, but common, someone just got raped and killed not more than a second ago.. oh crap, there goes another ... i mean please, as sad as this is .. it isnt news and DOES NOT belong on the front page

Dwayne Bolt
Posted by Dwayne Bolt
June 08, 2008 2:07 PM

Mcnamerson's grammatical correction was expressed at an inappropriate time, but Horace Greeley would have been proud.

H.Dermish
Posted by H.Dermish
June 08, 2008 2:17 PM

Gordon said;
"What child isn't tired after playing at the pool all day? Extreme fatigue and strange behavior is hardly an obvious sign, when referring to a child."

You dummies
Posted by You dummies
June 08, 2008 2:23 PM

Wow look at the cycles spent talking about grammar. Man I feel good about me

tim
Posted by tim
June 08, 2008 2:29 PM

I truly hope the family of this poor child is not reading any of this. How heartless and insensitive to criticize spelling and making jokes. Yuk

R. Brown
Posted by R. Brown
June 08, 2008 2:45 PM

"Posted by sympathyplease
Sunday, June 08, 2008 9:27 AM EST


For Name McNamerson to point out a spelling error in the article, seems to indicate sociopathic tendencies. The blog was so cut and dry that I am totally baffled as to if this blogger has compassion for this family's loss? I am picky about spelling and grammar, as well, but this is not the time or the place This article contains extremely important information, and all you can do is your own spell check (or should that be "spell-check"? "

I couldn't agree more. When I read the correction, I was aghast at the lack of any compassion. Get a heart, McNamerson.

Thanks so much to the mother for posting this. It is a warning all parents and grandparents should heed.

I never hear of this and I will be forwarding this to family and friends as this summer starts.

Thank you.

R. Brown

ICUMD
Posted by ICUMD
June 08, 2008 2:49 PM

As a pediatric ICU director for 25 years, I find the factual content of the article not believable, accurate nor informative. Children that drown do not walk home from the pool. there is more to this story than has been presented.

Bolling
Posted by Bolling
June 08, 2008 2:51 PM

I only have empathy for this family's loss. It is tragic how quickly the circumstances turned for the worse. Words cannot express the shock, anger, and grief this family is going through.

LizG
Posted by LizG
June 08, 2008 3:18 PM

I am a retired pediatrician, and I never saw a cas of "dry drowning". However I saw several casis of partial complex seizures that could have presented the way this child did. The episode of "soiling" makes this particularly suspicious for being a seizure. Is there a medical examiner's report available?

LizG

Mike Oxlong
Posted by Mike Oxlong
June 08, 2008 3:36 PM

Terrorists should be dry drowned, not waterboarded.

Name SANderson
Posted by Name SANderson
June 08, 2008 3:38 PM

Edit to Name's Edit to English Teacher: I'm an English teacher. We all new (knew) what was being comminicated (communicated). You people have to (too) much time on your hands to debate grammer (grammar) to the nth degree. ::End Edit:: I'm not sure where you got your credential from but your English skills are sad. This article however is very shocking and it is incredibly important for this reporter to bring to light what can happen at a pool. However I feel it is incredibly inappropriate to quote Wikipedia, it's not even a real source, and cannot be used in any research. I imagine there are other places to find out the definition of dry drowning other then Wikipedia. Furthermore, as sweet as the messages above are, I doubt during her time of grief and tragedy that her initial response will be to sign online to the Jacksonville injury board and read peoples (people's) condolences. So if people want to point out how ridiculous this article is with its poor spelling, in proper(improper) grammar, and sad attempt at research, they have as much right as you do.

RandomPerson
Posted by RandomPerson
June 08, 2008 3:42 PM

Since when was Wikipedia a credible resource?

j.k.
Posted by j.k.
June 08, 2008 3:56 PM

First of all, Ma'am, I am very sorry for your loss. Your children are not supposed go before you do. its nobody's fault and its frustrating, I am sure. My thoughts are with you and your family in this difficult time.

Secondly...
Everyone here who has involved themselves in this war of whether you should just post sympathies or not post sympathies and whether it is okay to point out errors in the article's spelling, writing, grammar, or other areas is not getting the big picture. Sympathies should be acceptalbe almost anywhere. There is nothing wrong with giving support to someone. It is also okay to point out mistakes in the text of the article. The point to remember is there are facilities on web sites for doing both, to keep it all in the right place. To point out errors here may not be effective. That's why most web sites allow you to contact the webmaster of that site. So post both sympathies and corrections, just pick and choose the right place for it. And remember the 1st amendment of the U.S. Constitution. You can pretty much say what you want where you want.

BrownR
Posted by BrownR
June 08, 2008 4:10 PM

"Thanks so much to the mother for posting this. It is a warning all parents and grandparents should heed." Whatever gave you the idea that the mother posted this? This was a posting made by a personal injury lawyer, Eddie Farah of The Law Offices of Farah & Farah, in an attempt to generate business. Scroll to the top--his picture is right there on the right alongside his posting. Yes, indeed, all parents and grandparents should be aware of what their children are up to. This was a terrible thing to have happened to a child, but come on, folks. You are dealing with a less than accurate account, and with comments made by folks whose explanations are only slightly better than that the child was struck by Thor's hammer or was the object of a voodoo curse. Your religious fairy tales are no more valid just because you happen to believe them. Thank goodness for Art, who knows what the whole universe is up to.

OmegaWolf747
Posted by OmegaWolf747
June 08, 2008 4:20 PM

I was very sad when I read this article. It seems very unfair, as there is no way to tell that this is going to happen until it does unless you already know the symptoms. Let's face it: Most people do NOT know what to look for. I certainly would never have believed that something like this could happen, but now I will be very careful if I ever do go swimming.

OmegaWolf747
Posted by OmegaWolf747
June 08, 2008 4:20 PM

I was very sad when I read this article. It seems very unfair, as there is no way to tell that this is going to happen until it does unless you already know the symptoms. Let's face it: Most people do NOT know what to look for. I certainly would never have believed that something like this could happen, but now I will be very careful if I ever do go swimming.

Fred
Posted by Fred
June 08, 2008 4:41 PM

I appreciate clear writing that doesn't make you stop and question the intended meaning. I have things to do, such as sending out sympathy cards on a Web site for the self-promotion of personal-injury lawyers, and reading grammar vs. God arguments. Why do religious people misconstrue a comment on spelling as an attack on God?

The writer cited Wikipedia so I know this in bunk. Sombody mentioned this was on MSN, implying it was credible. I'm sure Microsoft is fact checking everything on MSN.

DupontGafMD
Posted by DupontGafMD
June 08, 2008 5:01 PM

This is a case of "delayed drowning," or "secondary drowning." It has been written about in the medical literature and is a well-known phenomenon for physicians and EMTs well-versed in drowning and water-survival. Here is a reference from the British Medical Journal in 1980 that discusses the diagnosis:

More ...

Lynn
Posted by Lynn
June 08, 2008 5:06 PM

First, I would like to send my sympathy to the family of this lost child. It's very painful to lose a child at such young age. May God be with your family.
Secondly, for all of you out there who have nothing better to do; Get a freaking LIFE! I know you guys just wanted attention, but GROW UP. Yes, it's true that there is 1st Amendment that said everyone have the right to speech. Do you guys think this is an appropriate place to do so? Just wait until you lose someone you love and see how you feel when you read your post with such comments. If you guys want to argue, do it somewhere else; there are much other places to do so.
I am from a different country and I know how much it means to have Freedom of Speech; but I DO NOT take advance of it. You guys need to know how to appreciate what you have. Being adults are to know when and where to say certain things!!!
I feel not only some of you who do not have a heart by thinking that it's fun to see people dispute over little things but added comments to make it worst is just shameful.
I wondered how some of you were raised and how you guys would raise your children... Our country can only be strong if we all would stand together as one. Remember this line???
American is a land of Freedom, and Richness. Some of us are just TOO FREAKING SPOILED and NEVER KNOW HOW TO APPRECIATE. ONLY KNOWS HOW TO TAKE ADVANCE OF THINGS and COMPLAINS...
Only if some of you are send to another country like a 3rd world, you would really know how REAL LIFE IS...
This bickerness is not only dumb, I know you guys know what is truly going on; but just too ignorant to admit!!!

bco
Posted by bco
June 08, 2008 5:13 PM

I write formal business stuff. I write songs. I take quick notes for future reference. I also speak in a range of modes of formality. Sometimes I use colloquial or incorrect grammar on purpose. I do all of this because I am aware of what is appropriate, effective or important in a given setting.

The spelling of breathe is completely unimportant, compared to the meaning of a story of a boy who could not breath breeth breith or breathe.

Please use your commmmon senze and deesency. Sadly, posters like the one we're talking about cheapen what could be a valuable public outlet, with their childish need for self-aggrandizement.

Lawrence
Posted by Lawrence
June 08, 2008 5:17 PM

I too have had my heart torn out by the death of a child, dear. Those who have not lived through such a loss can only remotely empathize with such a blow to the virtual solar plexus of one's core. I would not try to beguile you from your pain with any spiritual reassurances about the mystery of tragedy. All I can do with my poor words is share your bereavement for this moment. I still miss my son him like he was just here. I memorialize him every time I learn of someone else going through similar anguish. More importantly, for over thirty years now I have not let one day pass by without lavishly repeating to my other children "I love you...I love you." I am a spend-thrift in this regard. My son taught me that. Lawrence

Name
Posted by Name
June 08, 2008 5:22 PM

I believe a different article stated that the boy had autism. Depending on his level of autism he may have accidents all the time, soiling himself may or may not be out of the ordinary, so for people saying a ten year old soiling himself should have been a hint something was going on, I have to say autistic kids have bowel and bladder control problems that go along with the disorder. It seems like this should be investigated more. PS edit to the edit. I never said I was an English teacher and still I made less errors then the actual English teacher which makes me awesome!

katie
Posted by katie
June 08, 2008 5:52 PM

The mother had a 10 yr old autistic boy who had other medical problems she did not stay in the pool with him.He had on arm floaties and did not know how to swim.His mom should have been in the water at all times with him.How many times must we hear watch your kids around water before you listen?If this was your 6 or 16 yr old special child would you let them in the pool without help?

monica
Posted by monica
June 08, 2008 5:54 PM

Why wasnt his mom with him in the pool?

ElBubba
Posted by ElBubba
June 08, 2008 5:59 PM

I spent years as a whitewater rafting guide/instructor. "Dry drowning" is something that always intrigued me because it could happen a day later and I might never know about it. Any guide will tell you that they have seen customers take some terrible "swims", falling out of the raft in dangerous whitewater. I've seen people drown, have heart attacks, break bones and need stitches.
So, what do we do about it? Lifeguards and pool owners can be made more aware of the danger, they can pass that info along to parents after a kid accidentily "swallows" a bunch of water at the pool. If you want to go whitewater rafting you should know how to swim and you should be in decent shape, like able to walk to the mailbox and back without breaking a sweat...
The orange vest doesn't save your life it just makes it easier to find you.

Stephy
Posted by Stephy
June 08, 2008 6:12 PM

I am very sorry about your loss. Just remember that everything happens for a purpose. Your son's death may be God's way of letting you and many others know about dry drowning and to be cautious. Maybe through the loss, many others may be saved. When Jesus Christ died on the cross to save us from our sins, it wasn't the end. He died, and now many can be saved and go to Heaven and be with Him. It is as easy as ABC. A=admit you are a sinner. B=Believe that Jesus Christ died to redeem us and He rose from the dead and is alive in Heaven. (Jesus is sinless, that's why He was able to die for us to pay for us. Jesus is God's son.)C=Confess your sins and make Jesus LORD of your life. If you do this, you can be sure that when you die or that when Jesus comes back to Earth to take His followers to Heaven, you will go to Heaven for eternity. I like to think the two situations similar. The boy died, leaving us all with caution and awareness of this tragedy. Now, many people may be saved. When Jesus died, many people may be saved through Him and will go to Heaven, rather than to HELL. I encourage all viewers to read this comment. It is a matter of ETERNITY with your Creator in Heaven or an ETERNITY with the Devil, Satan, in HELL.

Stephy

BILLG
Posted by BILLG
June 08, 2008 6:27 PM

Hey scholars, TRUELY is spelled TRULY.

vb
Posted by vb
June 08, 2008 6:31 PM

ah, boy do i love un-educated ignorance! I am sorry for your loss, and dont pay attention to the garbage above, they obviously are a waste of space and are gods example of how not to act. Lets all take note of the ignorance by "Georgie" and "Frankie" (probably the same person) and try not to make our lives as pathetic and disgusting as this people like them!

mary
Posted by mary
June 08, 2008 6:37 PM

I am so sorry for your loss, however I feel more compelled to apologize for the mindless unloved people who have responded so thoughtlessly. I will think of you today and I will also feel sadness for the deranged unloved human beings that responded like dogs ( I am sorry all you dogs that was unfair) I mean monsters.
I too learned something today. Be still and know that many people reading this are praying for you

gary fabrizio
Posted by gary fabrizio
June 08, 2008 6:51 PM

I think the poor kid lost his life.Anyone who cant find compassion jn that, is surely an a******.

grammar police
Posted by grammar police
June 08, 2008 7:13 PM

TAKE THIS WITH YOU. IT WILL HELP YOU ON YOUR QUEST.

J. Nurse
Posted by J. Nurse
June 08, 2008 7:32 PM

I pray with you at this time of deep sorrow. May the comforting arms of our Lord Jesus Christ, through the Holy Spirit, the Comforter embrace you.

Nicoleta
Posted by Nicoleta
June 08, 2008 7:40 PM

Our 22 year old son has just become certified as a lifeguard and we thank you for bringing this to our attention.
God bless Cassandra with peace as her son joins with angels in heaven.
I cannot even bear the thought of her pain.
Much love.

C
Posted by C
June 08, 2008 7:59 PM

Sorry for the loss this family has to deal with. That being said, could the spelling idiots learn to use a comma? If you are going to be an ass about spelling you better make sure you have your crap straight. Whatever jerks :-(

Daily105
Posted by Daily105
June 08, 2008 8:02 PM

My deepest condolences on your loss. It is always hard to lose your love ones, especially your child! :(

lafn
Posted by lafn
June 08, 2008 8:19 PM

I guess the writer is unaware that Wikpedia is NOT even considered a reliable reference. I hope he didn't use it as a reference in any of his law school papers!

I agree, this is a place to comment on the article, not a condolence board. Perhaps you could find an obituary site in SC and leave condolences for the family there. I didn't see anywhere that condolences for the family should be left here.

tourpilot
Posted by tourpilot
June 08, 2008 8:25 PM

Why are people posting condolences here? Do they honestly believe the family is reading this tripe? This site is meant for exchange of useful information, whether based in tragedy or discovery. And what happened to our standards? Does no one check their grammar, spelling or logic? It's typical of some who are ignorant, poorly educated, and lazy to attack anyone who attempts to point out an error. It's easier to attack than learn proper English or admit to a typo. Bringing up errors in an article is not cold-hearted. No one seeks to diminish the tragedy, just to check the facts and uphold some standard of intelligent communication. We're not talking to the victim's family here folks. We're trying to learn. Let's at least make an effort to show some respect for each other, and that we're capable of proof-reading what we take the time to post.
Local news casts are bad enough. Are we really that dumb?

Courtney oldham
Posted by Courtney oldham
June 08, 2008 8:46 PM

I am so sorry about the loss of your little boy. I have never heard of this before and it is so sad that something like this had to happen for me to be aware of something so serious.

Mark
Posted by Mark
June 08, 2008 9:50 PM

There's lots of confusion in this article and the responses. I agree with those who point out that simple errors of grammar and obviously confused explanations (such as larynx spasm shutting) should make us question the accuracy of the account. I have great sympathy for those who have lost children this way, and calling for accurate reporting on the incident does not indicate otherwise.

I followed a couple links in the comments, and also found some other info via Google. It seems to me there are two different phenomena in view.

1. The link given above in the comments, More ...

discusses a phenomenon whereby someone nearly drowns and is resuscitated. Some of these people (5% according to the study) later develop a problem wherein their lungs are not able to transfer oxygen into their blood. Tjose who nearly drowned in salt water dies, and those who nearly drowned in fresh water survived.

The above seems inconsistent with what is discussed in the article, as they refer to something that can happen after going down a water slide, or just taking a bath. The article is not clear on this point, but it seems to imply tat there was nothing tat could be construed as nearly drowning and then being resuscitated.

The following link describes something that seems more in line with what the article discusses.

More ...

This article seems to be referring to incidents wherein someone "swallows" water, meaning the water nearly goes into their lungs but the larynx goes into spasms and thus prevents it. In most cases, the larynx stops spasming, and the person is fine. But in rare instances, the larynx doesn't stop spasming, preventing the person from getting adequate oxygen. hence the fatigue, confusion, etc. If something is not done, the person eventually dies from asphyxiation.

This seems to be more prevalent than the first phenomenon, with 300-400 cases per year, according to the article.

Mary
Posted by Mary
June 08, 2008 11:22 PM

After reading these posts it makes me wonder if people on other planets are searching for intelligent life on earth.

Bridgette Jackson
Posted by Bridgette Jackson
June 08, 2008 11:44 PM

I am so so sorry. I know it doesn't feel like it but God will see you through this. Just lean on Jesus and trust him to take your pain. I will be praying for him to comfort you and your family.

May God Bless You and Keep You!

eraklik
Posted by eraklik
June 09, 2008 12:40 AM

First, I'm not Canadian, but I do like Canadians.

Leo Bowman (England)
Posted by Leo Bowman (England)
June 09, 2008 12:52 AM

May I first of all express my sincere condolences to the family, for the tragic loss of their young son. Nothing anyone can say, will make the slightest difference, to how they are feeling at this moment. Hopefully in their own way, over time, they will come to terms with their loss and rebuild their lives with the help of friends and family.
However, as I was reading this Blog, I was absolutely appalled at some of the comments posted. It appeared that it was descending into a farce. There is a word in the English language that is imperative in these situations. That word is TACT. The Oxford English Dictionary definition is: “Sensitivity in dealing with others”. The fact that there were spelling mistakes, or that there were no hard and fast rules on what to do in this situation, is irrelevant. If they have a problem with spelling mistakes, or grammar, or that information on the cause of the death is patchy, or lacking in detail, so what! I don’t think this Blog is the place to vent their frustration.

Armand
Posted by Armand
June 09, 2008 1:19 AM

this sucks. im so sad

redplanet
Posted by redplanet
June 09, 2008 1:49 AM

Who are all you people writing to? This isn't a guestbook on a family website. This appears to be a news item posted on a website about safety. The family is never going to see what you have written.

Stephen Hubbard
Posted by Stephen Hubbard
June 09, 2008 1:51 AM

*comment edited due to offensive content*

To people concerned with the family being offened or this being the tactful place for argument:
Go to Google News. There are 200 other news articals on different news sources about the same event. This is not special. You are not special for reading or posting here. The family is not reading this.

To grammer posters:
Thank you for recognizing tragic loss reported on the internet is just one big joke. The internet is one big joke. A big playground. People that take message boards seriously have a HUGELY overinflated sense of self worth. Keep crackin jokes.

To anti Wikipedia-ers:
I have learned more from Wikipedia than any book, ever. I personally think Wikipedia(unreserved sharing of knowledge) is the single best part of human civilization. Besides we are past the era of Objective Truth. That ended in 2000 right around the time Dubya hit the scene. Now the subjective truth we have comes from what the propagandaists feed us and from random websites we surf at 11:30 to procrastinate.

Yeah, the whole thing is tragic but in a day and age when you can spend your entire day reading and watching news clips about the tragic circumstances of death, poverty and starvation somewhere in the world if you wanted, all you can do is laugh and post asinine comments.

To Me:
What are you doing posting on a random webpage where no one will care at 1100 when you have a final exam tomorrow?
Who knows. Just laugh. Read Slaughterhouse 5, get sad, depressed and then just laugh.

Good night my loves,
Stephen Hubbard
shubbard@ucsd.edu

redplanet
Posted by redplanet
June 09, 2008 1:52 AM

Didn't mean to post the above without comment. To the people that posted the racist comments, I want you to know that although you haven't evolved much perhaps when your IP address is traced you will learn the law and how you just broke it.

Doug
Posted by Doug
June 09, 2008 3:02 AM

God bless you and your son. I am so sorry to have read about your loss.

Steve Lee
Posted by Steve Lee
June 09, 2008 3:03 AM

My prayers are with you and family...

AmbulanceChasersInc
Posted by AmbulanceChasersInc
June 09, 2008 3:07 AM

This entire site is run by a bunch of ambulance chasers. It is about as credible as dry flake of cow-dung.

Rob Nicholas
Posted by Rob Nicholas
June 09, 2008 4:15 AM

This could have been a case of post-obstructive pulmonary edema caused by breathing in deeply against closed vocal cords. See POPE 1 in this article: More ...

anon12
Posted by anon12
June 09, 2008 4:30 AM

Wikipedia says the “laryngospasm

anon12
Posted by anon12
June 09, 2008 4:31 AM

Funny how the quote Wikipedia as a source... its a user based site...

Muhammed
Posted by Muhammed
June 09, 2008 4:35 AM

Just goes to show that death is sudden and inevitable, God will surely give Johnny paradise!

Kudzu Fire
Posted by Kudzu Fire
June 09, 2008 6:10 AM

lord bless the sick and the needy

lord send angels to open up the wellsprings of the soul

and to pour healing balms out over every hurt

lord inspire us to minister to one another

and to love the unlovely

Malik Jubal
Posted by Malik Jubal
June 09, 2008 8:01 AM

Some of you are being diverted from the main story here, which is the devastating death of a child and the grief of the family and friends. There are people who look for articles like this very painful one, and they intentionally leave a hurtful, insensitive comment, just to get everyone paying attention and arguing back and forth with them about the cruel statements they made.

From now on when you read a comment that is insensitive and cruel, and to some large degree, ignorant, please ignore it! To comment back and forth with people like that, gives them the spotlight they were seeking. The spotlight should rightfully remain with the person/persons that have lost a loved one or suffered some tragic ordeal. Blessings to the life lost here, and the family that has to find the strength to go on. I hope what I have writing here will remain with you all and when it comes up again, and you are not tempted to give the person the attention, just ignore their comment. Thanks

Tragedy
Posted by Tragedy
June 09, 2008 8:18 AM

Are we really quoting Wikipedia????

patrick
Posted by patrick
June 09, 2008 8:24 AM

I ALSO, AS MANY OTHERS, OFFER PRAYER FOR YOUR COMFORT, PEACE AND UNDERSTANDING FOR THIS TRAJIC AND SUDDEN LOS, WE ALL GRIEVE WITH YOU. BUT MAYBE YOUR SON WAS TO GOOD FOR THIS WORLD. THE CREATOR HAS CALLED HIM HOME. WE WILL KNOW WHY IN TIME TO COME. GOD WILL BLESS YOU.

Selfish
Posted by Selfish
June 09, 2008 8:54 AM

I'm proud to see that so many of us show our sympathy first and foremost. I don't think this comment will reach the family and friends mentioned in this article but I would like to send my sympathy. Also, I would like to send my appreciation to the article's writer for sharing this information as it may benefit several families who may run into a similar situation.

motherofanANGEL
Posted by motherofanANGEL
June 09, 2008 11:52 AM

I lost a child.I cared nothing about the spelling of anything. None of the little trivial things that has been made to seem important on this page was.I wanted people to remember that he was. I told others of my loss. It really was a comfort to hear other women tell of their loss.It gave me the sense that I'm not alone. It was a comfort to talk to someone who really understood. Who is anyone to say that the mother does not read these entries? I would like to think the writer had to obtain the parents permission before he could go public with it. So why not share sympathy.. loss..or even the fact that there is a GOD. look around you. Why would anyone expect God to leave His Angels here. I also am very sorry for the loss of this mother. Talk to God. With all your heart give your son over to God. When you do and with all tour heart God will make the pain more tolerable. Talk about him. Tell how He made you smile,or laugh or just the little things. In my heart and mind that keeps my son from truely dieing. It keeps him real. Time will also play a big roll in how much you can say about your son , to whom and how much before the tears.

blank
Posted by blank
June 09, 2008 12:35 PM

i cant believe you guys arre haveing an arguement over a sad article

The Argus
Posted by The Argus
June 09, 2008 1:56 PM

I have a ten year old daughter. If she , at any time at this age, soiled herself and began talking slowly, I sure would not send her off to bed. I would be on my way to the emergancy room!

Concerned Mom
Posted by Concerned Mom
June 09, 2008 2:01 PM

Need some more info...

Each article that I've read today regarding dry drowning mentions this can happen to children after taking a bath. But none of the articles site examples of what can happen during a bath to force the water into the lungs. There are no diving boards or slides in a bath tub so I would like to know what can happen during a bath to cause this. My children like to pour water on their heads while bathing and some times it goes up there nose. Could this possibly cause dry drowning? I really would like to know.

Mike
Posted by Mike
June 09, 2008 2:02 PM

Sad story, but an even worse example of the glut of superfulous, unprofessional writing that seems to be the hallmark of the internet lately, when the cult of the amateur is taking over the world. Citing Wikipedia as a reference? Misspelling the word "breathe"? Move over and let the professionals do their job, Eddie.

Diane
Posted by Diane
June 09, 2008 2:09 PM

I am very sorry for you loss. It is a lesson learned here. It is so sad. All our thoughts and prays are with you.

Lamont
Posted by Lamont
June 09, 2008 2:41 PM

Secondary drowning is due to a near drowning affecting the surfactant in the lungs and leading to pulmonary edema. The fact that the author cites wikipedia does not mean that its entirely incorrect.

YoungPerson
Posted by YoungPerson
June 09, 2008 6:20 PM

My condolenses on the loss of your son...

But seriously guys. THis isn't the place to be bickering like little children! BE respectful of such a deep loss!

Reality
Posted by Reality
June 09, 2008 8:55 PM

How discouraging. I was looking for information about this situation to be educated on the matter and find people being so unbelievable. I thought why respond, they don't care what others say it's obvious. They would rather correct grammer, rudeness, etc. Truly what do you feel when you type these responses? Happiness? Gratification? Justified to be so bold in typing? I'm truly only saddened for the family of this boy that they might see these comments. Sad. We are only responsible for our response not how others respond and changing them isn't up to us either. My sympathy to the family and your loss. I hope we can walk away being educated in keeping our families safe.

Mark
Posted by Mark
June 10, 2008 8:44 AM

I don't support those who are making rude and nasty comments. It's a fact of life on the Internet, but nevertheless I deplore them.

Mark
Posted by Mark
June 10, 2008 9:06 AM

I don't support those who are making rude and nasty comments. It's a fact of life on the Internet, but nevertheless I deplore them. However... I think that people who are saying that focusing on the spelling of a word is insensitive and missing the point are THEMSELVES missing the point. As a father of three, my first practical thought is to consider whether there is something here that I need to take heed to, to protect my own children, avoid this tragedy in their case as a result of reading the article. So ascertaining the veracity of the article is very important to me. In that vein, it is significant that the author misspelled a simple word, and had some other confused sentence constructions. It betrays perhaps a lack of attention to detail. So what else did he get wrong? What did he leave out? Did he fail to accurately explain what happened and what can be done to prevent it from happening again? These are legitimate and vital questions. In fact, by doing a bit of searching, I came to the conclusion that the author was indeed sloppy and did not explain the situation clearly. See my earlier post for two links, the second of which I think explains a little better what happened. I found in the course of my searching a couple articles that the author of this article lifted entire sentences from, and in one case he transposed a single letter which rendered his sentence incoherent (changed "larynx spasms shut" to "larynx spasm shuts"). In general I came to the conclusion that his selective copying of text from different articles resulted in a confused explanation that did not help me protect my children. And guess what? The clues that some people picked up on here were instrumental in helping me see that. I see now that, although a rare occurrence, it is possible for my kids to suffer dry drowning after any incident wherein their larynx closes briefly due to liquid "going down the wrong pipe." This can happen in the bathtub, on a water slide, or drinking a glass of orange juice. We've all experienced this sort of thing now and then; but now I know that in rare instances it can lead to a fatal event, and I know what the signs are. I didn't know that until I did some extra digging, prompted by the postings of those who noticed certain problems with the way the article was written. My children are safer for that (however slightly more), and it honors and serves the memory of the boy who is the subject of the article. So I agree with whoever said (in so many words) that practical concerns are more important than mere sentiment. And for the record, I'm a devout Christian. I just happen to distinguish faith, solidly-grounded affections, and intellectual integrity and excellence from MERE sentiment.

Thinkof Thechildren
Posted by Thinkof Thechildren
June 10, 2008 10:41 AM

Since a child died, nothing else in the world matters. I shouldn't worry about getting to work on time or logical thinking, because some lawyer posted a blog entry summarizing a problem which happens to an estimated 300 people a year. Yay knee-jerk reactions!

Jason Mosco
Posted by Jason Mosco
June 11, 2008 2:15 AM

I'm terribly sorry for your loss, and I hope you may find comfort in some way, but I have a question or two.. If there a specific age group that dry drowning can affect? I know that younger persons have less adapted immune systems and anatomy, so I am just wondering does it matter how old/young you are? Thank you, and again sorry for your loss.

Bec
Posted by Bec
June 12, 2008 2:07 PM

I really dont know what to say. I'm very very sorry for your loss!!!

dayna
Posted by dayna
June 12, 2008 8:19 PM

I can't believe some of u people. I got on the internet to find out about this "dry drowning" so I could hopefully prevent this from happening to my own child. All most of you could care about is how things are spelled and who this information came from. This information is just out there so people can be aware of terrible things that are happening to people like myself and others. I feel for the family and can't even imagine what i would do if this happened to my son it scares me just to think about it. My thoughts and prayers go out to the family who lost their child in such a horrible way. My thoughts and prayers also go out to the people who can think of nothing better than to put down someones spelling or grammer that is trying to help people understand something that is not understood by many.
Sorry if there are any errors in this I forgot to use my spell check before leaving this comment.

patt
Posted by patt
June 13, 2008 5:38 PM

Thank you for being brave enough to tell all of us what to watch for-you now can be very proud of yourself because I'm sure you have just saved many lives and know that we all are praying for you and your family. Your son will never be forgotten.

Marcus
Posted by Marcus
June 14, 2008 10:59 AM

I feel so sorry for your loss. When I read the article about your son dying. I just cried the whole rest of the day. I am very sorry.

Alex
Posted by Alex
June 17, 2008 3:39 PM

Dayna is correct on all accounts.

The writer is not a "dumb lawyer" or anything of the sort. He either submitted the article without spellchecking (OH MY GOD, NO!!!) or had a lower-level clerk or paralegal write it for him. As an emplyee at IB.com, I know lawyers schedules are insane. Many get their underlings to finish some blawging for them. With case briefs, meetings, and practice management on their minds, it's no surprise blawging gets pushed to the side.

My condolences to the family and I hope this article accomplished it's job: knowledge.

Pickle
Posted by Pickle
June 24, 2008 12:17 PM

Hisssssss!! Meow!! Stop squabbling and focus on the issue at hand: keeping your family safe! If in doubt, do more research. Try the following site: More ...

Denny
Posted by Denny
June 25, 2008 11:20 AM

By the way, this boy did not die of dry drowning. The autopsy showed water in his lungs. He died of secondary drowning, which is much more rare than dry drowning. Once again, leave it to the media to screw up a medical story, thus inappropriately scaring parents. See the article at the link below. (I think someone else also referenced it).

Remember, if the media reports it, you have a 50% chance that it is 30% accurate. That is first hand experience of 19 years in critical care pediatrics.

More ...

Alexis
Posted by Alexis
July 02, 2008 3:16 PM

o im srry...

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